The Oakland Raiders

[lalomartinez]

Ok I have a beef with the Oakland Raiders (and I am a hard core die hard Raiders FAN!!) what the eff is Al Davis thinking keeping J. Russell on the field?? I have been a Raiders fan since I can remember, they use to have their training camp here In Santa Rosa, back in the day, they have never had a problem with a good QB, its always been problems with the defense, offense or any else but the QBs, now the got over rated effing quarter back who can throw SOOOOOO many yards on his knees, which congratulations to you Russlle!!, but why cant you throw AND hit the intended target?? I mean really? how many eff ups is it going to take for Al Davis to realize that he sucks BIG DONKEY BALLS?? Why did we cut Jeff Garcia? aside from the fact that he asked to be released, I am tired of Al Davis's bad decisions! as I'm watching them getting their asses handed to them by the NY Giants....So the world is supposed to end in 2012, I foresee us have the best year ever than!!

[Kiit408]

lol.. i got you bruh...

[iamdasht19]

hahahahhaa and moving to the sports section of the free talk area. yeah we here in detroit are at least turning are team around pretty good this year.... sorry to you rams and raiders fans..... maby you should reclaim your glory and move back to la and start fresh for your second stint with the city.

[lalomartinez]

“ Originally Posted by D/\SH ”

hahahahhaa and moving to the sports section of the free talk area. yeah we here in detroit are at least turning are team around pretty good this year.... sorry to you rams and raiders fans..... maby you should reclaim your glory and move back to la and start fresh for your second stint with the city.

No way D/\SH!! Two rings in Oakland, 1 in LA...NAH, I'm from Northern Cali. We'll keep 'em here! I mean we made to play offs with Gannon, the year after that it was like a whole different team, you know? Seriously Al Davis needs to die, have you seen that guy? HOLY WALKING ZOMBIES BATMAN!! Davis has got to be what? a thousand? I swear that guy look slike Bram Strockers(sp?) Dracula.....

Oh and thanks for putting this in its rightful place, my bad....I was watching the game during....well I didn't really have to watch it to know how it was going!

[iamdasht19]

“ Originally Posted by lalomartinez ”

No way D/\SH!! Two rings in Oakland, 1 in LA...NAH, I'm from Northern Cali. We'll keep 'em here! I mean we made to play offs with Gannon, the year after that it was like a whole different team, you know? Seriously Al Davis needs to die, have you seen that guy? HOLY WALKING ZOMBIES BATMAN!! Davis has got to be what? a thousand? I swear that guy look slike Bram Strockers(sp?) Dracula.....

Oh and thanks for putting this in its rightful place, my bad....I was watching the game during....well I didn't really have to watch it to know how it was going!

hahah no problem and moving now since i forgot fhahaha thanks for the reminder and i could see it happening or to las vegas if davis dont pass the bucket soon or do something about that autrosity on the field that he calls a football team.

[parna1973]

Oh man got no words to say...but really russell shouldnt be there..hopefully they make a decision pretty soon hopefully its not to late..feel your pain...lol

[CrAshTaH]

Russell was a mistake from the get go. Honestly QBs are what they are after the start of the second year. If he was going to be good we would've seen it by now.

[iamdasht19]

“ Originally Posted by CrAshTaH ”

Russell was a mistake from the get go. Honestly QBs are what they are after the start of the second year. If he was going to be good we would've seen it by now.

naw you cant measure a qb like that since it also depends on the o-line, running game, wide outs, etc..... being better in all of the above makes the quarterbackslife easier as we saw with cassell.

[CrAshTaH]

True but we should have seen more from Russell by now. Take Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan or Troy Aikman. With the exception on Ryan they were all showing really good stats by their second year. Ryan was a machine in his rookie season while Aikman and Manning had slow rookie years.

Show me a QB who was terrible in their first 2-3 years then took off and had a great career... I'm not saying one doesn't exist just that if they do, they would seem to be the exception not the rule.

[iamdasht19]

“ Originally Posted by CrAshTaH ”

True but we should have seen more from Russell by now. Take Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan or Troy Aikman. With the exception on Ryan they were all showing really good stats by their second year. Ryan was a machine in his rookie season while Aikman and Manning had slow rookie years.

Show me a QB who was terrible in their first 2-3 years then took off and had a great career... I'm not saying one doesn't exist just that if they do, they would seem to be the exception not the rule.

you had culpepper and mcnabb struggle early on and 2 of the three you mentioned above are going to be in the hall of fame without doubt. you cant compare using the best as examples..... remember the game is a lot different too and brett favre didnt play for how long into his career when he was originally draft by atlanta.

[CrAshTaH]

? McNabb and Culpepper struggled early on? These only further prove my point. Only in McNabb's rookie season did he even remotely struggle. He threw right at 50% completions and he has never had a negative TD/INT ratio. Every year after his rookie season he was around 60%.

Passing Stats
YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
1999 PHI 12 106 216 49.1 948 4.4 8 63 7 60.1
2000 PHI 16 330 569 58.0 3365 5.9 21 70 13 77.8
2001 PHI 16 285 493 57.8 3233 6.6 25 64 12 84.3
2002 PHI 10 211 361 58.4 2289 6.3 17 59 6 86.0
2003 PHI 16 275 478 57.5 3216 6.7 16 59 11 79.6
2004 PHI 15 300 469 64.0 3875 8.3 31 80 8 104.7
2005 PHI 9 211 357 59.1 2507 7.0 16 91 9 85.0
2006 PHI 10 180 316 57.0 2647 8.4 18 87 6 95.5
2007 PHI 14 291 473 61.5 3324 7.0 19 75 7 89.9
2008 PHI 16 345 571 60.4 3916 6.9 23 90 11 86.4
2009 PHI 9 175 285 61.4 2189 7.7 15 58 6 94.0
Career 143 2709 4588 59.0 31509 6.9 209 91 96 86.4


Culpepper never struggled until his knee injury. In fact he had one of the highest QB rating right from his rookie year.

Passing Stats
YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2000 MIN 16 297 474 62.7 3937 8.3 33 78 16 98.0
2001 MIN 11 235 366 64.2 2612 7.1 14 57 13 83.3
2002 MIN 16 333 549 60.7 3853 7.0 18 61 23 75.3
2003 MIN 14 295 454 65.0 3479 7.7 25 59 11 96.4
2004 MIN 16 379 548 69.2 4717 8.6 39 82 11 110.9


I'm not saying theres has ever been someone to be as terrible as Russel is then go on to have a good career but McNabb and Culpepper were never this bad. Favre was also good from his first full season. Yes he was drafted in ATL but ATL had a decent QB at the time and he was caught up in coaching change is why he was shipped out.

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Oh and here are Russells numbers

Passing Stats
YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2007 OAK 4 36 66 54.5 373 5.7 2 32 4 55.9
2008 OAK 15 198 368 53.8 2423 6.6 13 84 8 77.1
2009 OAK 9 96 205 46.8 1064 5.2 2 86 9 47.7

He's regressed this year. He has a 46% completion % in his 3rd year and 47% QB rating along with 2 tds and 9 pics. Its all over for him. Its really sad too because he has a cannon for an arm. His decision making was always in question. Decision making is infinitely more important in the NFL than a big arm.